If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. Going Beyond Obedience. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. First, just because youve never heard of someone doesnt mean hes not a credible source (likewise just because someone is well known doesnt mean he is a credible source). Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) 2 JOHN I think the best reward for the reader is to take all those views as complementary and related being parts of the same whole system of interpretation. B. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. [email protected] Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: Plus, she has a Bible and supposedly knows it well enough to teach it. 2. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. read more, Scripture: Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. Genesis 24:1-4. :0). Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. Amen. The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends, please click here and read this article first, Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. How is this different? If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. We shouldnt believe just whatever we see on the internet. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Im surprised to hear thats her position. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. Id be interested, too! Thats a rare find these days. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. If false teachers and their followers would simply repent and believe and obey Scripture, there would be no more division in the Body. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. The riches of His word are amazing! This article is kept continuously updated as needed. It often times fails. With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! The youtube video you offer here in your post is not available and Id kind of like to see what you were talking about. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Or and be .. Also, there are some great resources here. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. Pastors dont read LifeWay studies or pay attention to the false teaching crowd, for the most part. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. read more, Scripture: It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. They are busy caring for their churches. Go beyond what's familiar. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. Did you feel any kind of fear? Verse Concepts. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. Heres the thing. You are spot on. I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. This title is taken directly from the text; verse 37 tells us that the people were astonished beyond measure. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: No, Im afraid theres no such thing as a false teacher being an entryway into the faith any more than a bowl of cyanide can be a good appetizer before a healthy dinner. Scripture: 2 Kings 5:1-15 Denomination: Baptist Going Beyond What Is Expected? No where did she usurp authority etc. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. I think youll also find my article Is She a False Teacher? Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. Mark 10:46-53 These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) Why didnt you just study your Bible instead? Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. 1. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Moving Beyond the Motions Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? 2 Kings 5:1-15 or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. Your objection is most likely answered here. Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). We're called to not live by our feelings but by faith ( 2 Cor. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. Go beyond our fears. Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. Romans 8:24 For we Check it out and learn about modesty and biblical decision-making. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. Introduction Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). (I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. 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